Friday, November 11, 2011

Poker 910 suited vs JJ

Let me start this post by saying that if you don't play poker this isn't directed at you. If you want to learn how to play poker google how to play texas hold em and feel free to email me and come join us in our next poker game.

So if someone said would you rather have JJ to start a hand or 9 10 suited to start a hand a person would choose JJ but I disagree. Let's discuss why. We will set this up by saying you are playing at the casino in a 1/2 NL table. You have $200 in front of you as does everyone else on the table. It's a normal table with some good players, some fish sticks, and some in between.  So let's walk through each hand. Position will play a big part of every poker hand so i'm going to keep this as simple as possible and say we are next to button, or the hijack seat. It's a strong seat to be in because you get to act last after the flop or second to last if the button plays. I'm going to make this a typical hand so we'll say that the third player raises it to $10 and the person next to you calls the $10.

JJ option 1: You can raise up to $30. You have a nice starting hand and probably are ahead at this point. You can hopefully take the two $10 bets behind you without having to see a hand play out and then everything is great. If someone calls and the flop is low enough without a higher face card or an Ace you probably are ok to bet and take the pot.

Option 2: You call the $10 bet and hope for a low flop, This is a passive play and it doesn't alert the other players that you have a relatively strong starting hand. The problem with calling the bet is that if the flop is K59 you would have a harder time representing you have a hand like AK then you would if you made it $30. Again you are hoping here for a low flop of 579 or something where no card on the flop is higher than a J. If it is you will have to tread lightly and hope for the best.

910 suited option 1: You can raise it up to $30 as well but the problem is you don't have very strong starting cards so you basically will have to bluff a fair amount of time on the flop if you play this hand this way. You can probably get away with it sometimes and get called other times. For example you make it $30 and get one call and flop again is 3 5 A maybe you can bet strong and they will fold thinking you had AK.

Option 2: You call and see what happens. I like this play with 9 10 suited because you're not investing a lot and you don't have to bluff on the flop although you can if both players check to you. If you miss the flop and someone bets then you fold no problem.

OK so now you have the two options with each hand. I would say the average good player is going to raise with JJ in that position to $30 and call in that position with 9 10 suited for $10. If you disagree feel free to tell me why, but the basic premise is that with JJ you want to shut down the hand on the flop while with 910 suited you are trying to hit the flush or straight which probably won't happened until the later rounds. This premise is why 910 suited is better than JJ. With JJ you will either win $20 if both players fold to you preflop or the flop will come 459 and you can bet $40 or so and you will win $40 plus the blinds (they call $30 preflop and $10 from other better) If you bet that $40 and the person calls you then you are nervous. You have JJ so you have to keep betting on the next card if it is low and if it's over a J you are scared.  Basically you are winning on average $40 if it goes the way you want. Now of course if you make it $30 and the flop is A74 you have a decision to make. If they bet at you, you have to fold and if they check you have to pretend you have an Ace and hopefully the fold. Again your hands ends on the flop either positively or negatively.
Now with your 910 suited you have called $10 so far. Three of you are in the hand and the bad flop comes 2KA, someone bets you fold and you lose $10. No worries life goes on. On the other hand if you flop 8JQ you have a monster straight and you can win a lot of money because it's not a hand that people will expect you to have. More likely what will happened is you will hit a draw so let's play it out that way. Let's say you have 910 of spades. Flop comes out 8s7hAd. You have hit the straight draw and that Ace out there will hopefully induce some action. Now you have a 33% chance of hitting the hand you are going for but IF IT HITS you will win a lot more than your $40 with Jacks.
In conclusion while JJ is a better hand all in all, you have more potential to win more money with 9 10 and more importantly to lose less money with it over JJ. The only thing that can be said is that if you are chasing draws you won't hit them every times so you are losing money that way. To that I say you are correct but that's why you have to know how much of a bet to call.
I will say that with JJ you can win a big pot, but chances are with 910 suited it will happened more often if you play the hand correctly.

1 comment:

  1. Let me first start out by saying, Steve, you are a donkey. You can have your 910 and I'll take my chances with JJ. If you take Steve's advice on poker, then you too, are a donkey. Steve don't start crying about JJ because you lost a recent tournament with them on a donkey play on your part.

    ps. Leave the 3 betting light to the pros.

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